Curse

X Icy X [AUST] · Mar 09, 2009, 04:56 AM // 04:56

Why break a good skill. Totally destroyed now. Fix it

AnonTerror · Mar 09, 2009, 05:15 AM // 05:15

nominated for most fun bar ever.

FoxBat · Mar 09, 2009, 05:44 AM // 05:44

After watching observer, you need to ask yourself, which is the greater evil: [Primal Rage] or [Warrior's Endurance] ?

obsidian ectoplasm · Mar 09, 2009, 05:46 AM // 05:46

true,

WE is pretty op

** NERF LC, FF, PNH PLZ ANET**

Lux Aeterna · Mar 09, 2009, 05:52 AM // 05:52

Lol I heard PR was good here, thought about trying it. Capped it a couple of weeks later, tried it in AB... it was AWESOME, I must have got 10 kills without a death in 2 minutes of fighting.

After the round , there's a new build ... and PR is nerfed to 25% movement speed.

I still used it, found it easy and it compressed my bar for more attacks / sprints, as well as not having to switch to rush for kiting targets.

Then everyone started using it, it became like palmers.

Now it's nerfed again and I switched from it the day it got nerfed.

Eh

IMMORTAlMITCH · Mar 09, 2009, 06:11 AM // 06:11

It just got fixed.

Reverend Dr · Mar 09, 2009, 06:57 AM // 06:57

[dismember][body blow][disrupting chop][bulls strike][primal rage][frenzy][rush][resurrection signet]

Icy The Mage · Mar 09, 2009, 07:32 AM // 07:32

Should be 10s recharge imo, not being able to maintain it is kinda dumb :s

Massive Impulsa · Mar 09, 2009, 07:56 AM // 07:56

Its still nearly maintable, lasts about 13sec, but the 15recharge was a little overkill.. Its probably not gonna see play in any high-end pvp.. Still works in AB and that shizzzle but having a 15sec recharge recharge is a little much.

The reason they nerfed it to this was that it could so easilly be Canceled whit rush, to then enter ASAP. But now you have to wait 15. As usuall Anet tend to overkill on nerfs :> - but i suppose its just as good to get this skill out of the Warrior world.. Was to OP at Stand and for Split, Maintainable IMS/IAS :>

IMMORTAlMITCH · Mar 09, 2009, 10:07 AM // 10:07

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Originally Posted by IcyFiftyFive

Should be 10s recharge imo, not being able to maintain it is kinda dumb :s

It shouldn't exist period, IMS+IAS has proven to be a cause of many problems in the past (IWAY, RaO, etc.).

From what I can tell this change mostly gets rid of it so it's a good change, it could still be viable in a spike build like rawr's though (as they often flag/collapse with a warrior and don't really pressure) now if only Warrior's Endurance gets nerfed too, that shit is pretty ridiculous with smited warriors :/

Kaon · Mar 09, 2009, 11:10 AM // 11:10

I'm agree. Killing off warriors on PR was insanely fun.

Onslaught.

Quote:

Originally Posted by IMMORTAlMITCH

now if only Warrior's Endurance gets nerfed too, that shit is pretty ridiculous.

Fixed.

Krill · Mar 09, 2009, 02:01 PM // 14:01

I didn't really like being trained by PR tbh. It made good warriors way too good and bad warriors better than they should have been. Now if they would only fix WE...still trying to understand why we keep getting these awesome builds that boil down to cycling attack skills.

Morgoth the dark · Mar 09, 2009, 02:38 PM // 14:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by X Icy X [AUST]

Why break a good skill. Totally destroyed now. Fix it

why? becuase it was better than any warr elite? Now it's fine.

C2K · Mar 09, 2009, 03:10 PM // 15:10

I don't think WE is the problem by itself. I think the imba is the classic offense vs. defense situation. When Defense had the upper hand, Aegis chains, Song of Restoration, and "Blockway" were the "nerf now" skills. Now that offense has the advantage, Its PRage, WE, LC, probably PBlock, etc.

In fact, WE has been as is since PRage became elite Frenzy, and its only since PRage was shown the nerf bat did it become the new War elite.

Nerfing one or two skills here and there won't solve the problem, because it just leads to new skills becoming the "nerf now" skills anyway.

Phe Belladona · Mar 09, 2009, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by C2K

I don't think WE is the problem by itself. I think the imba is the classic offense vs. defense situation. When Defense had the upper hand, Aegis chains, Song of Restoration, and "Blockway" were the "nerf now" skills. Now that offense has the advantage, Its PRage, WE, LC, probably PBlock, etc.

In fact, WE has been as is since PRage became elite Frenzy, and its only since PRage was shown the nerf bat did it become the new War elite.

Nerfing one or two skills here and there won't solve the problem, because it just leads to new skills becoming the "nerf now" skills anyway.

WE was buffed before PRage and was used A LOT, its pretty OP and the joke being they made an even stronger elite to take its place xD now PRage isnt as yummy ppl will go back to WE (this doesnt mean its not OP'd just wasnt as OP'd as PRage) it could do with a nerf.

Divinus Stella · Mar 09, 2009, 05:48 PM // 17:48

Primal Rage is still a decent skill its just not utterly broken now.

Warriors Endurance is a bit too powerful but nothing close to the monster that PR was.

PR gave all terrible warriors the power to get kills, you just needed to look at a couple of obs matches with nH build to see that.

Bobby2 · Mar 09, 2009, 10:29 PM // 22:29

At least WE requires people to think about how to use their stances. PRage is still very powerful imho.

dusanyu · Mar 09, 2009, 11:27 PM // 23:27

Don't see what all the QQing about [Warrior's Endurance] is about, it is balanced in its Current form. and is highly Susceptible to such thing as attack blocking (no energy gain) [Diversion], Energy Denial, [Distracting Shot] (Dshot that Power attack its not that hard to predict)

Secondly it makes Warriors Viable in Such Venues as AB where classes such as the assassin and the Dervish have out shined the warrior because maintaining adren. is difficult due to the constant need to move and Cap. Shrines.

it is strong, but not unbeatable, it is balanced

Seraphim of Chaos · Mar 09, 2009, 11:40 PM // 23:40

Myself from a few months ago used to rape shit with WE, and I was pretty reluctant to switch to Prage. Guess I will now.

FoxBat · Mar 10, 2009, 12:35 AM // 00:35

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Originally Posted by dusanyu

it is strong, but not unbeatable, it is balanced

It's not that WE is so overpowering, as the fact that it's better for pressure builds than the holy Shockaxe while being a mind-numbing spam build that takes much less skill; or at least that was the consensus of some epic 10+ locked complaint thread here a while back.

On that note, what is with all the [Battle Rage] on observer now?